than the empire state building. what did that mean to you as such an ambassador of downtown that that milestone was reached? >> it's funny because when i -- when it happened, 9/11, i thought, well, we just have to rebuild the buildings exactly the way they were. and then of course things went through so many changes and so many moving parts obviously. so when it's finally this, i say, well, it actually looks great. it looks great. and i'm impressed that they -- i think they build a floor a week, what i thought i saw on the news. >> i saw on the news this week harry smith on "nightly news" interviewing one of the ironworkers on the higher floors and said we're ironworkers not used to showing emotions but it's hard not to feel emotional about this building. >> of course. of course. it's not much -- to say.